>> Ted: NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUND TABLE AND WE LOOK AT A NUMBER OF LAWSUITS FILED BY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES WHO DID NOT WIN THEIR ELECTIONS.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUND TABLE AND WE HAVE LAURIE ROBERTS AND ALSO JOINING US FROM THE ARIZONA ROUND TABLE IS MARY JO PITZEL AND LAURIE, WE'LL START WITH YOU AND ELECTION LAWSUITS AND WE MAY FINISH WITH ELECTION LAWSUITS AND WE SHOULD MENTION WE'RE TAMING IN TAPING IN THE AFTERNOON.

WHAT DOES THE LAWSUIT CLAIM AND WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?

>> KARI LAKE FILED A LAWSUIT A WEEK AGO TODAY SUING THE STATE AND KATIE HOBBS AND ALSO THE MARICOPA COUNTY AND THROWS THE KITCHEN SINK OUT THERE CONTENDING THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS DEPENDING ON THE RACE AND THOUSANDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS WERE ILLEGALLY CAST AND ANOTHER TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS AND AT LEAST 30,000 BALLOTS THAT SHE HAS A SO-CALLED EXPERT WHO CAN TELL WERE LAKE SUPPORTERS WHO DID NOT GET TO VOTE.

SHE GOES ON AND ON WITH LITTLE ALLEGATIONS.

VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE IN HER LAWSUIT.

MY FAVORITE PART IS THAT SHE HAS STATEMENTS, FOREIGN STATEMENTS FROM MORE THAN 220 MARICOPA COUNTY VOTERS WHO ISSUED COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ELECTION DAY PROBLEMS AND ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAD BECAUSE THE PRINTERS DIDN'T WORK.

BUT OF THOSE 220 OR SO, ALL BUT THREE ACTUALLY GOT TO CAST THE BALLOT, WHICH GETS US TO THE WHOLE ISSUE OF WERE PEOPLE INCONVENIENCED OR DISENFRANCHISED AND THERE'S A LEGAL DIFFERENCE.

>> Ted: MARY JO, I DID NOT READ THE 70 PAGES, BUT FOR THOSE WHO DID, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE CONCRETE EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP.

IS THAT HOW YOU READ THIS, AS WELL?

>> RIGHT.

SOME OF THEM ARE INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED.

THERE WAS A LONG LINE AND I WENT HOME.

THERE WERE OPTIONS TO CAST YOUR BALLOT AND YOU COULD GO TO ANOTHER VOTE CENTER OR WAITED IN LINE AND THEY JUST LEFT AND BLAMED IT ON A LONG LINE, WHICH IS INTERESTING.

ONE OF THE REASONS THERE WERE LONG LINES BECAUSE LAKE AND HER SUPPORTS, ENCOURAGED SUPPORTS TO NOT SEND IN AN EARLY BALLOT BUT TO BRING THEM OUR PREVIOUSLY OR PREFERABLY VOTE.

>> THE QUESTION OF CONVENIENCE AND DOES THAT STOP YOU FROM VOTING AND THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO FELT THEY COULDN'T TRUST THE BOX THREE AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THEIR BALLOT IN THERE AND THEY WERE FEELING DISENFRANCHISED AND NOT SAYING YOUR BALLOT WASN'T COUNTED.

THOSE VOTERS FELT UNCOMFORTABLE OR STRESSED BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY WERE HEARING, OFTENTIMES FROM KARI LAKE AND SUPPORTERS.

>> Ted: LET'S SAY I DON'T TRUST THE VOTING PROCESS AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO MY NEARBY CHURCH AND VOTE IN-PERSON.

I'M JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T TRUST THE PROCESS, IS THAT A ME PROBLEM OR YOU PROBLEM?

>> THAT'S A PROBLEM ON MESSAGING WITH THE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY AND SPENT THE LAST TWO YEARS TELLING ME YOU CAN'T TRUST ELECTIONS OR VOTERS AND IN THIS CASE OF THE 220 OR SO SWORN STATEMENTS, ONLY THREE PEOPLE DIDN'T VOTE AND THOSE THROW PEOPLE COULD HAVE VOTED.

THEY COULD HAVE WAITED OR COULD HAVE GONE TO THE 222 VOTE CENTERS AND COULD HAVE GONE THERE.

THEY CHOSE NOT TO AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

MY OWN SON WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE CAUGHT UP WHO VOTED IN SCOTTSDALE WHO HAD THE TABULATOR PROBLEM AND GOT HIS THING AND IT WOULDN'T WORK.

THE PERSON SAID PUT IT IN THIS DOOR THREE OR WHATEVER AND YOUR BALLOT WILL BE COUNTED LATER AND OK, HE PUT IT IN AND GOT A NOTICE THAT HIS VOTE HAD COUNTED.

IF YOU'VE BUILT INTO YOUR SUPPORTERS NOT TO TRUST THINGS AND DON'T TAKE THE OPTION AVAILABLE TO THEM, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S DIS-ENCE DISENTRANCE DISENFRANCHISED.

>> Ted: I MEAN, AT WHAT POINT DOES A COURT JUST SAY, YOU KNOW -- >> WELL, WE SHALL SEE BECAUSE THIS WILL CONTINUE.

THIS BUILDING AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVER GROWING SUSPICION OF HOW ELECTIONS ARE PERFORMED AND, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS MORNING, I ATTENDED VIRTUALLY THE HEARING IN MARK FINCHEM'S CASE AND THE ATTORNEYS DIDN'T ASK SPECIFICALLY FOR A SPECIFIC SANCTION AND SAID SOMETHING HIS HAS TO BE DONE AND WE'LL HAVE THIS REPLICATING AND BE GROUNDHOG DAY.

>> IT SEEMS THESE LAWSUITS ARE SPECULATION.

>> SUSPICIOUS.

>> AND ONE EXPERT WHO SAYS THE MACHINES WERE NOT CERTIFIED, EVEN THESE NEVER BEEN NEAR THE MACHINES AND SAYS IT'S OBVIOUS THERE WAS INTENTIONAL MISCONDUCT AND THEY POINTED OUT THE POSSIBLE REASON SO MANY THINGS FAILED AT THE SAME TIME IS BECAUSE MARICOPA COUNTY USED A PAPER WHO HEAVY.

HE'S MADE A CONCLUSION THE INTENTIONAL MISCONDUCT IS WHAT'S GOING ON.

HE HAS NOTHING TO BACK THAT UP WITH, OTHER THAN JUST, OH, GEE, THAT'S WHAT MUST HAVE HAPPENED.

IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR A COURT OF LAW.

>> Ted: CAMRYN, THE INITIAL HEARING THIS WEEK, THE ONLINE PLATFORM WAS DELAYED BECAUSE -- PLEASE.

>> IT WAS A PARTY EVERYBODY WANTED TO BE AT.

THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE WITH PROMINENT ONLINE PRESENCES.

THIS WAS A LINK FOR PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE CASE AND IT JUST GOT FLOODED WITH EVERYONE WHO WANTED TO WATCH AND IT WAS JUST A BIT OF A MESS AND SOMEBODY HAD THEIR KID IN THE BACKGROUND AND SO, I WAS SITTING IN THE OFFICE LISTENING TO SOMEONE'S CHILD PLAYING AND WHAT IS GOING ON?

>> Ted: YOU GAVE OUT THE NUMBER THERE FOR ATTORNEYS AND OK, LET'S GET TO THE FINCHEM LAWSUIT AND NOW THIS IS ON WE'RE ON A WATCH HERE AND YOU HAVE YOUR PHONE WITH YOU.

>> YEAH.

>> Ted: FRIDAY AFTERNOON, LATE AFTERNOON AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND WHAT DOES THIS ONE CLAIM AND WHO ARE THE DEFENDANTS AND GIVE THIS TO US.

>> THIS IS A JEFF ZINK COMPLAINT, AN UNSUCCESSFUL CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE AND DROPPED OFF AND NOW ALL MARK FINCHEM, CONTESTING HIS LOSS IN THE RACE, ALL BECAUSE OF MISCONDUCT BECAUSE OF THE SITTING SECRETARY OF STATE, KATI HOBBS AND THEY SAY HOBBS ORDERED THAT HAPPENING, ACCORDING TO FINCHEM'S ATTORNEY, A DAN NAMED MCCAULEY AND ALL BECAUSE OF HOBBS' SECRETARY OF STATE, DID NOT ENSURE FOR HERSELF THAT THE MACHINES WERE CERTIFIED BY A LAB, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S ALL KINDS OF EVIDENCE, SIGNED, DOCUMENTED THAT THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN SIGNED, WERE IN.

ER,PROPER, WORKING ORDER.

>> Ted: HE WANTS TO BE DECLARED THE WINNER OR WAS THAT JUST LAKE?

WHO WANTS TO BE A DECLARED A WINNER?

>> EVERYONE.

>> NO, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A REVOTE ON JUST THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S RACE.

LAT WEEK FOR THE U.S. SENATE RACE, BUT THIS ISN'T A RUNOFF.

>> AND WE'RE NOT GEORGIA.

>> BUT WE DON'T HAVE A RUNOFF PROVISION FOR STATE-WIDE RACES AND THAT'S THEY'RE ARGUMENT AND MORE FUNDAMENTALLY AND SAYING THIS IS AN ELECTION CONTEST AND SO, WE SHOULDN'T BE -- THE JUDGE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CONSIDER MOTIONS TO DISMISS.

EVEN THOUGH THIS IS SITE TO CIVIL RULE.

>> Ted: TALK TO US ABOUT THE ATTORNEY IN THIS CASE.

>> I THINK THIS IS A DIVORCE ATTORNEY AND IT APPEARS THAT NO CREDIBLE ELECTION LAW ATTORNEY, NO EXPERT IN ELECTION LAW OR THE ONES WHO USUALLY HANDLE THOSE CASES, THEY DON'T WANT TO GET WITHIN TEN FEET OF THIS THING.

THIS ATTORNEY TODAY ACTUALLY ADMITTED IN THE COURT HEARING THAT NO OTHER JUDGE WANTED IT AND YEAH, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE DISBARRED, BUT HE'S 76 AND HE DOESN'T MATTER.

>> HE'S 75.

>> OK, 75.

BUT I'M THINKING YOUMY NOT HAVE THINKING MUST NOT THINKING YOU MUST NOT HAVE A GOOD CASE IF YOU'RE ADMITTING YOU'RE GOING TO BE DES BARRED ANDDISBARRED AND I DON'T HAVE A GOOD FEELING FROM Mr. FINCHEM.

>> THIS IS THE COCHISE COUNTY CASE FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BECAUSE NO ONE WANTED TO TOUCH THAT THING AND HE ACTUALLY ASKED FOR THE PETITION FOR THE CASE TO BE MOVED TO THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF FEDERAL COURT IN ARIZONA.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY EASTERN DISTRICT.

WE HAVE ONE DISTRICT WHICH I WOULD THINK AN ATTORNEY WHO HAS BEEN AROUND AS Mr. 74 OR 75-YEAR-OLD Mr. MCCAULEY.

>> HE COULDN'T SHOW UP IN COURT TO DEFEND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BECAUSE HE NEEDED MORE TIME.

>> Ted: AND NEEDED MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE DEFENSE OF THE DEFENDANTS AND I THINK IT WAS FUENTES.

>> I THINK HE SAID HE NEEDED AN ATTORNEY AND I GUESS IN IS THE PERSON WHO WAS THERE TO HELP.

>> IT COULD BE YOU DON'T HAVE AN ATTORNEY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE.

I'M NOT BELIEVING THE ELECTION LAW ATTORNEYS OR ANY ATTORNEYS ARE SHY ABOUT HAVING CASES IF THERE'S NOTHING THERE TO PUT FORTH.

THIS GETS US TO MARY JO'S CASE, THAT THE COURTS ARE SAYING THIS IS A STUNT AND WE WANT OUR COURTS TO BE OPEN AND IF YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE CAUSE BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.

>> THE JUDGE DID SAY SHE'LL HAVE A RULING OUT BY THE END OF TODAY.

WE HAVE NOT YET HEARD AND WE'RE ON STANDBY.

>> Ted: IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE'LL BE THE FIRST TO KNOW.

>> DO YOU WANT BETS?

>> Ted: NO.

WHO WANTS TO TAKE HAMEDE?

>> THIS IS ANOTHER ELECTION CONTEST AND IT WAS FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL AND HE LOST AND WHAT WAS IT 510 AND FIMCHEM LOST BY 120,000 AND IT'S DIFFERENT AND NOT SAYING THERE WAS FRAUD IN THIS CASE, RIGHT.

HE'S SAYING THERE WERE PROBLEMS THAT LEAD TO HIM NOT BEING ELECTED, BUT HE'S NOT GOING SO FAR AS TO SAY WHAT FIMCHEM WAS SAYING THAT KATI HOBBS ORDERED PAPER TO STOP ME FROM WINNING.

>> Ted: MATCHING SIGNATURES DIDN'T MATCH AND REPORT VOTERS DISENFRANCHISED AND NOT NECESSARILY AS YOU MENTION "FRAUD" BUT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

>> BUT IS THERE EVIDENCE?

>> Ted: MARY JO, IS THERE EVIDENCE?

>> KEEP IN MIND, THERE'S A RECOUNT AND RESULTS ARE DUE NEXT THURSDAY.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT WILL YIELD SOME EVIDENCE YOU CAN USE.

>> HE HAS SAID THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS WENT UNCOUNTED AND YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO BACK THIS UP AND THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN THIS 500,000 VOTE, THERE MAY BE SOME THAT WENT WRONG AND ALLEGES THOUSANDS OF VOTES WERE UNCOUNTED AND I HAVEN'T HEARD WHAT THE BACKUP FOR THAT CLAIM IS AND PRESUMABLY WE'LL HEAR THAT NEXT WEEK.

>> TO DISMISS FOR FIMCHEM WAS TODAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN BARELLI IS IS.

>> Ted: THIS WAS FILED IN MOHAVE COUNTY AND WHY?

>> I THINK EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT SUIT IS ABOUT MARICOPA COUNTY AND HE WENT THERE BECAUSE IT'S A HEAVILY RED COUNTY.

YOU THINK YOU'LL GET A MORE FRIENDLY JUDGE THERE AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE JUDGES, TO MATTER WHO APPOINTED THEM AND THEIR POLITICAL OUTLOOK ARE PROFESSIONAL ENOUGH TO APPLY THE LAW TO THESE CASES, BUT HE THINKS HE WILL BE GETTING A BETTER HEARING, PERHAPS IF MOHAVE COUNTY.

>> Ted: DOESN'T MUCH OF HIS CASE DEAL WITH MARICOPA?

>> YES, THE BASIS IS THE SAME AS THE OTHERS WHICH WERE WERE THE EARLY BALLOTING.

IF YOU THINK YOU'LL GET A BETTER HEARING, YOU GO THERE.

>> Ted: ANYTHING TO HAD?

>> MOHAVE, TO LAURIE'S POINT, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE MARK BRNOVICH TOOK ONE OF HIS CHALLENGES OR MAYBE IT WAS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHEN WERE CHALLENGING EARLY VOTING AND GOT SHOT DOWN.

>> Ted: EXACTLY, GOT SHOT DOWN.

CAMRYN, NOW WE HAVE SONNY BARELLI.

>> I THINK HE WAS UNOPPOSED, BUT HE'S SAYING THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH AI, THAT THE AI AND THE MACHINES, THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WAS MATCHING THE SIGNATURES AND THAT'S ILLEGAL TO WHICH THE ELECTION WORKERS ARE SAYING, WE DIDN'T USE IT.

>> Ted: THAT'S CUT AND DRY THERE AND, BASICALLY, THESE ARE AT LEAST HUMAN WATCHED?

>> YEAH, HUMAN CHECKED SIGNATURES.

>> Ted: WHERE DO WE GET THE AI FROM?

>> GOING THROUGH MOVHAVE COUNTY.

>> IT CAME UP IN THE SPRING WHEN MARK BRNOVICH WAS RETURNING FOR SENATE AND PUT OUT AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE AUDIT AND STEVE BANNON'S PODCAST AND MENTIONED IT THAT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WAS CERTIFYING BLOTS BALLOTS CAME OUT WITH RUNBACK SYSTEMS WHICH IS THE SYSTEM THEY USE A COMPUTER PROGRAM APPARENTLY OR HAVE IN THE PAST TO DIVIDE BALLOTS INTO HIGH CONFIDENCE AND LOW CONFIDENCE EXPECT COUNTY SAYS A, THEY DIDN'T USE THAT THIS YEAR AND THAT B, EVERY SINGLE BALLOT IS LOOKED AT BY A HUMAN BEING AND VERIFIED BY A HUMAN BEING.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, THERE'S NOT MUCH TO THIS LAWSUIT.

>> THE HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT TRAINED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE MACHINE SAID ABOUT HIGH CONFIDENCE.

>> THAT'S TRUE, AS WELL.

>> THAT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE.

>> Ted: SO WHAT IS HE DOING?

>> THERE WAS A PART ABOUT HOW AI IS BIASED TOWARD WHITE MEN AND I WAS SO SURPRISED TO SEE THAT AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING.

>> HOW CAN YOU TELL BY ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IF A SIGNATURE IS FROM GENDER OR ETHNIC GROUP?

>> I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE OTHER THING IN HIS LAWSUIT THAT HE ALLEGES THEY DON'T DO AN EYE EXAM OF PEOPLE LOOKING AT THIS AND THEY MIGHT HAVE POOR EYE EYESIGHT.

>> Ted: WELL, LAURIE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE GO WITH THAT ONE AND YOU REFERRED TO MARK BRNOVICH AND WHERE IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL?

SECRETARY OF STATE IS IN ALL OF THIS AND WHERE IS THE ATTORNEY ILLINOIS.

>> ATTORNEY GENERAL?

>> HE HAS TWO WEEKS TO GO.

TWO WEEKS AGO, HE GOT INTO A KER KERFLUFFLE AND HE WAS -- WAS THE WORLD, MAYBE "REPRIMANDED" AND HE WASN'T HAPPY AND THE LEGISLATURE WASN'T HAPPENED AND THEY WEREN'T HAPPY WITH HOBBS AND THEY PASSED A LAW SPECIFICALLY BARGE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OFBARRING HIM AND THELAW WILL GO BACK AND HE'S BARRED FROM DOING THAT AND SHE'S BARRED FROM USING HIM AS AN ATTORNEY.

>> Ted: THAT WAS BASED ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THINKING THEY WOULD GET THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE BACK.

>> JUNE 30th OF NEXT YEAR AND THE NEW SECRETARY OF STATE ASSUMING THAT THE ELECTION IS NOT REVOTED AND THE RESULT CHANGED IS THE DEMOCRAT, FONTES, AND HE WILL HAVE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL REPRESENT THE STATE IN THESE ELECTION MATTERS.

>> Ted: WHOEVER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS, RIGHT?

LET'S HOP OFF THE ELECTION LAWSUIT TRAIN AND LET'S GET TO EDUCATION SPENDING.

THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS THE EDUCATION SPENDING SESSION.

>> BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING HAPPENING AND I GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH KAREN FANN20 MINUTES AGO AND THERE WAS A PROPOSAL ABOUT TOPICS TO CONSIDER IN A SPECIAL SESSION THAT WENT THROUGH THE SENATE AND HOUSE LEADERSHIP AND IT WILL GO BACK TO THE SENATE TO CONSIDER AND THE GOVERNOR HAS A COPY OF IT AND SO, AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY ARE CONSIDERING TOPICS AND ASKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S AVAILABILITY.

SO THE QUESTION IS, IF THERE IS A SPECIAL SESSION, WHAT WILL IT BE ON BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS SAY DUECY MADE A DEAL TO TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL SPENDING LIMIT TO SPEND ALL OF THE MONEY THEY WERE GIVEN, WHICH IS QUITE A LOT.

DUCEY IS SAYING HE'S NOT SURE IF HE HAS THE VOTES AND NOW IT'S LIKE THE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS, WHERE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, IF WE HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION, I LIKE HOUSING.

AND THEN DO THE VOTES EXIST FOR ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS?

MAYBE NOT.

>> Ted: THE VOTES DO EXIST.

>> WE'VE HAD LAWMAKERS SAY THAT AND CALLED UP LAWMAKERS TO FIND OUT IF THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH RAISING THE SPENDING LIMIT FOR THE SCHOOLS.

THIS HAS TURNED INTO A BIG OLD CHRISTMAS TREE.

I COME IN AND VOTE FOR THE SCHOOL SPENDING LIMIT AND I WANT THIS AND THIS AND THE PLAN, LAST I HEARD, WAS SO YOU COULD HAVE A ROLLING CALL FOR THE SPECIAL SESSION AND FIRST WE'LL DEAL WITH TOPIC A AND THEN TOPIC B AND THE CABOOSE IS THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT PEOPLE WILL, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY VOTE FOR THAT.

AND WE'RE THE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

>> THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS WHO KNOW THE BILLS THEY WANT TO GET THROUGH THAT THEY WON'T GET A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR TO SIGN COME SCRAN.

JANUARY.

THEY ARE WILLING TO HOLD THEM HOSTAGE, THE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND NOT RAISING THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT UNTIL AND UNLESS YOU GIVE THEY WHATEVER MY PET PROJECT IS.

THIS IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE BECOME MARCH 1st, IF THAT SPENDING LIMIT IS NOT WAYED, THE SCHOOLS WILLOWS AWILL LOSE $1.4 BILLION AND MAYBE OVER A YEAR, IT WILL HURT YOU BUT IN THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, IT MAY MEAN LAYOFFS OR MEAN SCHOOL CLOSURES AND THAT'S WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE DOING.

THEY'RE SAYING UNLESS YOU PASS MY REFORM BILL, I'LL POTENTIALLY PUT YOUR KID OUT OF SCHOOL.

>> IT'S NOT JUST LAWMAKERS.

IT'S CLEAR FROM TALKING TO LAWMAKERS, HE WANTS TO RAISE THE EMPOWERMENT SCHOLARSHIP ACCOUNTS RIGHT AFTER HE PASS VOUCHERS AND IT'S ENOUGH TO IMPLODE EVERYTHING.

HERE IS THE CATCH HERE IS THAT THE REPUBLICANS, YES, WANT TO RUSH AND GET THIS DONE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THESE THINGS WON'T NIGHT WITH GOVERNOR HOBBS, BUT IF YOU WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT LEGISLATURE IS SEATED, I THINK THERE'S A VERY HONEST QUESTION THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE NECESSARY 20 VOTES IN THE SENATE AND 40 IN THE HOUSE TO WAIVE THIS LIMIT.

IT'S A DIFFERENT CROP OF LAWMAKERS COMING IN.

>> IN THIS CASE, IN SPRING, WHEN THE SCHOOLS CLOSE, THE LEGISLATORS, TWO YEARS THEY WERE SCREAMING HOW TERRIBLE WAS FOR CHILDREN, THEY'LL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THAT.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THEM.

>> Ted: YOU MENTIONED AVAILABILITY OF LAWMAKERS, BUT AREN'T SOME OF THEM IN BRAZIL AND HAWAII ON FACT-FINDING MISSIONS?

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH WAITING UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE, PEOPLE HAVE PLANS AND DON'T WANT TO BE DRAGGED INTO A SPECIAL SESSION AND PEOPLE COULD CHOOSE NOT TO SHOW UP, RIGHT?

>> I TALKED TO ONE LAWMAKER TODAY WHO SAID IF THEY DO THIS AND HE THINKS IT DOUBTFUL, YOU'LL HAVE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY LIKE THEY DID DURING THE PANDEMIC, THAT THEY ALL HATED THAT.

>> I THOUGHT THEY CHANGED THE RULES YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.

>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO ANOTHER RULE CHANGE.

>> THERE'S ONE OTHER POSSIBILITY THAT FLOATED AND KNOCKED DOWN AND KATI HOBBS SWORN IN ON JANUARY 2nd AND THE NEW LEGISLATURE ON JANUARY 9th.

THERE'S ONE WEEK IN BETWEEN AND LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL LOOKED AT IT AND SAID EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T GET SWORN IN UNTIL THE 9th, TECHNICALLY, THEY TAKE OFFICE ON JANUARY 2nd.

>> Ted: THAT WOULD BE A BOLD MOVE.

>> I HEARD THE SAME THING AND WOULD ECHO THAT.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE GET OUT OF HERE, WE CAN'T GO TOO DEEPLY.

THE TEDS TOLD GOVERNOR DUCEY, SAID NOBODY IT OFF WITH THE BORDER WALL, STOP IT.

>> NOT ONLY STOP IT BUT MOVE THEM AND IF YOU WON'T MOVE THEM, WE'LL ASK THE COURTS TO BILL YOU WHEN WE MOVE IT AND FOR ANY ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT.

WHAT IT WAS WAS A PUBLICITY STUNT.

IT'S NOT A CAMPAIGN STUNT, BUT GOVERNOR DUCEY HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND TALKED ABOUT THE BORDER.

RIGHT DURING ELECTION SEASON, HE DECIDES TO PUT UP THESE DUMB CONTAINERS.

IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT FENCE, THEY CAN GO OVER IT AND THROUGH IT.

THEY'RE NOT UP AGAINST EACH OTHER.

IT CONTAINS NOTHING AND DOES NOTHING AND SOME OF THEM ARE IN AREAS WHERE THERE AREN'T ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING THROUGH.

SO YES.

>> Ted: THE GOVERNOR SAID THE IDEA, AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT TIME, BUT THE IDEA WAS TO PUSH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO SOMETHING AND THIS WAS A PROPERTY.

>> YES, YES, EXACTLY.

SO HE'LL TAKE THEM DOWN IF THE FEDS PROMISE THEY WILL PUT THE WALL UP IN THOSE AREAS.

AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN COURT, BUT THIS WILL BLEED OVER, OF COURSE, INTO HOBBS' TENURE AND SHE'S NOT A FAN OF CONTINUING THIS WALL OR THIS PSEUDO-WALL.

>> WHERE DOES SHE GET THE MONEY TO TEAR IT DOWN?

THE ONE HUNDRED MILLION WAS A RESULT OF THE BORDER WALL FUND.

>> Ted: WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT ONE.

PANEL, GREAT CONVERSATION, AS ALWAYS.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!