AND A CHANCE TO GET THEM TO EX POUND ON SOME OF THOSE, TOO.

WE HAVE ON THE PHONE LINES, THE PHONE NUMBER SHOULD BE AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN.

WE HAVE ANASTASIA BIRDSAW IS HERE AND DAVE HOP IS ALSO HERE.

DAVE WILL BE TAKING YOUR PHONE CALL.

DAVE DOES A NUMBER OF PUBLIC REACH FOR DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES.

WE ARE GLAD THEY ARE HERE.

SORRY, MY WIFE COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK WE'LL HAVE - WE'LL STILL HAVE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS BEFORE THE NIGHT IS OVER.

AND JOINING US, OF COURSE, CHAD STEWART, THE MAN OF THE HOUR.

OUROUROUR DEAR OUROUROUR BIOLOGIST AND WE HAVE MARK WHO'S OUR FISHERY BIOLOGIST.

>> PATRON SAINT.

>> I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER BEEN CALLED THAT BEFORE.

>> HE'S THE OLD MAN OF THE OUTFIT.

WE SURE APPRECIATE MARK AND JOE WORKING OUT OF TRAVERS CITY AND CADILLAC IS THE DISTRICT LAW LIEUTENANT THERE.

I HAVE WORKED WITH YOU GUYS MANY TIMES AND I AM GRATEFUL AS HECK ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY INTERESTING QUESTIONS.

BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, MARK, TELL US THE WALLEYES I TAKE IN THE MOSGEEGAN RIVER.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

I GOT THE REPORT BEFORE I CAME HERE TODAY.

TODAY WENT WELL.

SO, FOUR DAYS WE TOOK EGGS ON THE MUSKOGEEN RIVER AT THE BOAT LAUNCH THERE.

THE BIGGEST ONE WE SAW WAS AS HAIR UNDER 15 POUNDS.

>> OH.

>> I ALSO GOT WORD IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN STEEL LINE FISHING.

I GOT WORD TODAY MORE THAN ANY OTHER DAY, A BUNCH OF STEEL HEADS HAVE SHOWN UP ON THE MUSKEGON RIVER.

>> WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH HIGH WATER.

>> YES, VERY HIGH WATER.

IF YOU ARE WAITING, YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO GET TOO FAR FROM THE BANKS AND THE BOATS DON'T MIND THE HIGH WATER.

YES.

A LOT OF FISH IN THERE NOW.

>> SO, THE RUN YOU THINK IS A LOT OF WATER AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU NEED THE FISH.

>> YES.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK IT IS ANY SHORTAGE OF STEEL HEADS IN LAKE MICHIGAN RIGHT NOW.

WE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD SURVIVOR AND I THINK WE ARE GETTING A VERY AND EVEN BEFORE THIS HIGH WATER, WE WERE GETTING A REALLY, REALLY GOOD STEEL HEAD RUN THIS SPRING.

WE DID NOT HAVE A GOOD RUN LAST FALL.

I THINK WE ARE GETTINGMENT OF THE FISH WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN LAST FALL.

>> DON'T HOLD OVER.

>> YES, YES.

STEEL HEADS IS SCHEDULED TO START NEXT TUESDAY.

>> OKAY.

I HAD A QUESTION COMING IN ABOUT COMMERCIAL FOREST LAND.

FOLKS THAT OWN LAND TO GET A TAX BREAK IF THEY PUT THEM INTO THE COMMERCIAL FOREST BUT IF THEY HAVE TO ALLOW PUBLIC ACCESS FOR HUNTING, FISHING AND TRAPPING.

>> CORRECT.

>> THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT FOLKS CAN GO MUSHROOM HUNT.

AS BOB SAID, PEOPLE CAN HUNT, FISH, AND TRAP ON THOSE COMMERCIAL LANDS AND ANY TYPES OF ACTIVITIES DONE FROM THE LAND WOULD NEED TO BE DONE WITH PERMISSION WITH THE LANDOWNER.

>> OKAY.

THIS COMES, WALL STEEL STILL HAVE TROUTS GOING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STATE.

IT SHOULD BE SMALLER SIZE AND NUMBER.

YOU FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE?

>> STEEL HEADS SMALLER?

>> I WOULD SAY YES, NOT A LOT OF TEN POUNDS PLUS STEEL HEADS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF STEEL HEADS.

I AM HEARING NO COMPLAINTS FROM ANYBODY.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD ARGUE THERE IS NOT MANY STEEL HEADS OUT THERE.

THERE IS NOT A LOT OF FISH OVER TEN POUNDS.

AGAIN, I THINK THEY ARE YOUNGER FISH.

>> THE BROWN TROUT FISHERY, HE'S TALKING ABOUT MICHIGAN.

THE WATER HAS NOT GOTTEN GOING YET BECAUSE THE WATER IS SO HORRIBLE.

YOU GOT TO GET THE WATER TEMPERATURES INTO THE 40s.

WE KEEP GETTING CLOSE AND WE GET A COLD SNAP AND IT GOES BACK DOWN AGAIN.

WE ARE CLOSE AND WE'LL GET A GOOD BROWN TROUT FISHERY THIS YEAR.

IT IS GOING TO BE APRIL AND MAY AS OPPOSED TO SOME YEARS YOU CAN DO IT IN MARCH.

>> OKAY.

>> CHAD, THE KILLING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STATE DUE TO DISEASE, I KNOW THE FEDS HAD PROGRAMS AT ONE POINT IN TIME.

I AM NOT UP-TO-DATE ON ANY OF THAT.

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE DEER THAT WOUND UP SHOOTING -- >> SO, THE NUMBERS FROM OUR BOLVINE SURVEILLANCE LAST YEAR IN 452.

IT IS ABOUT 1.5%.

THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE 452 AREA.

I CAN'T SPEAK BY WHAT'S BEING REMOVED BY THE SHOOTERS.

THOSE NUMBERS GO INTO THE NUMBERS THAT ARE SUBMITTED BY THE HUNTERS SO IT IS A BIGGER SAMPLE SIZE WHEN YOU FACTOR IN WHAT THE SHOOTERS ARE TAKING AND WHAT THE HUNTERS ARE TAKING AND LANDOWNERS ARE TAKING.

IT IS ABOUT 1.5%.

WE ARE ALSO SEEING AND SORT OF THOSE PERIMETER COUNTIES AROUND THAT 452 AREA.

I THINK ABOUT .3 OR .4%.

IT IS VERY LOW NUMBERS.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.

WE NEED TO KEEP IT LOW.

IF WE STOP DOING THIS TYPE OF MANAGEMENT, BOLVINE TUBERCULOSIS WILL CONTINUE TO ESTABLISH ITSELF.

IT WILL OPPOSE A THREAT TO OUR CATTLE.

>> YOU ARE TRYING TO KEEP IT FROM EXPLODING.

>> EXACTLY.

>> I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB KEEPING IT FAIRLY CONTAINED IN THAT COUNTY.

WE ARE STARTING TO SEE TWO CATTLE HERDS I BELIEVE RECENTLY IS POSITIVE.

>> OH YES.

>> AND AS WELL AS ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STATE.

WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT.

I KNOW IT IS NOT POPULAR OR SOMETHING THAT'S A FAVOR FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING OUR STATE FOR THE DEER RESOURCE AND OUR AGRICULTURE PRODUCERS.

>> OKAY.

FROM CHARLOTTE, HOW ABOUT AN UPDATE ON THE GRAYLING STOCKING PROGRAM?

>> YES, GOOD QUESTION.

PUT A LOT OF GRAYLING IN THE WATER LAST YEAR AND WORKING WITH PARTNERS.

SEVERAL OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES OVER SAW THE GRAILING AS THEY WERE STOCKED.

HAVE NOT HEARD AND WE KNOW THEY HATCHED OUT IN THE STREAMS.

HAVE NOT SEEN MUCH OR HEARD MUCH SEEN.

IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE'LL GIVE UP ON.

WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON IT.

WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP FROM OUR PARTNERS AND THERE WILL BE MORE GOING INTO THE WATER THIS YEAR.

>> AND JOE -- GOOD QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO.

>> THIS COMES DOWN TO AN ACTUAL STATUTORY CHANGE THAT THE LEGISLATURES IS LOOKING AT.

SO, THE NUMBER OF LINES THAT WE CAN U USE - CURRENTLY, IT IS LISTED AT THREE, TECHNICIAN COULD BRING IT DOWN TO TWO.

THAT'S THE ONLY ALLOWANCE THAT THE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY CHANGE HOW MANY LINES ONE CAN USE.

ANYTHING WE WOULD SEE WITH INCREASING NUMBERS OF LINES WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH AN ACTUAL LAW.

>> YES.

I WILL ADD THAT THERE IS SOME LEGISLATURES ARE WORKING BILLS THAT WOULD EXPAND THE NUMBER OF LINES YOU CAN FISH IN THE GREAT LAKES.

IT IS SOMETHING WE SUPPORTED BUT AGAIN WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS.

>> JOE, I HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE AND OF COURSE, JOE ARE FROM CADILLAC AND HE'S A LIEUTENANT.

WE INTRODUCED HIM.

I HAVE TO ASK YOU -- FOLKS WANTED TO KNOW EVERYWHERE I GO, HOW IS YOUR DAD DOING?

>> DAD'S DOING GREAT.

STILL ACTIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND MULTIPLE NONPROFITS.

HE'S DOING WELL.

>> TOWNSHIP SUPERVISOR.

>> AND HE WAS HERE FOR HOW MANY YEARS DID HE DO THIS SHOW?

20 SOMETHING MANY?

>> SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> AND HERE YOU ARE.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

>> AND THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, OR THE DEER IN THE ROOM, I GUESS?

IS IT TRUE THAT DNR IS GOING TO ONE RULE THIS YEAR.

IF SO, WHY?

WELL, IN LANSING, I HEARD YOU HEARD SOME PEOPLE TESTIFIED, ONE BUCK IS THE WAY TO GO.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME AND TAKING PEOPLE OUT OF THE FIELD AND YOU DON'T GET A CHANCE TO HUNT THAT MUCH.

>> WE ARE TEN MINUTES IN, THIS IS TEN MINUTES LATER I THOUGHT WOULD BE ASKING THIS QUESTION.

>> SO WE HAD NATURAL RESOURCES MEETING YESTERDAY.

DOWN IN LANSING IS WHERE WE PROPOSE OUR REGULATIONS FOR OUR UPCOMING DEER SEASON.

THERE WAS A ONE-BUCK RECOMMENDATION IN THAT PACKAGE TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION.

THE CAVEAT IS THAT IT WOULD BE A DELAYED IMPLEMENTATION FOR 2027.

SO, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE CURRENT ORDER, IT WOULD NOT GO INTO EFFECT IN 2026 BUT IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IN 2027.

THIS IS WHERE THE COMMISSION PART IS AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

ONE COMMISSION DID BRING AN AMENDMENT FORWARD TO OUR WRITTEN ORDER THAT WOULD ALLOW THE THE ONE-BUCK RULE TO BEGIN THIS FALL.

SO, ULTIMATELY, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING TO LAND OR IF LAND ANYWHERE AT ALL.

>> OR IF IT LANDS ANYWHERE.

>> EXACTLY.

THIS IS ALL SUBJECT TO A NATURAL RESOURCE COMMISSION VOTE.

THAT DECISION WILL BE MADE AT THE MAY MEETING.

IT WILL BE IN GAYLORD.

THEY ARE ACCEPTING FEEDBACK OR INPUT WHETHER YOU SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THAT REC MINNESOTA DISCRIMINATION THROUGH THAT TIME.

>> AND ALSO IF YOU ARE GOING TO TESTIFY NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION, A LITTLE TIP, USE A LITTLE SCIENCE IN HERE.

IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A POPULARITY CONTEST.

TRY TO GEAR WHATEVER RESPONSES YOU HAVE TOWARDS SCIENCE.

JUST TO OFFER THAT.

FOLKS, MILITANT WANT TO KNOW IF THEY'LL BE OFFERING SENIOR DISCOUNTS FOR LICENSES THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

I JUST BOUGHT MY LICENSES AAND AA AND I GOT A SENIOR DISCOUNT.

>> I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING OTHERWISE.

>> I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY CHANGES TO THAT.

>> AGAIN, THAT'S STATUTORY.

>> ONE THING THERE WAS CONFUSION AND THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT UP IS OUR SPRING TURKEY GUIDE.

THERE IS TWO MISPRINTS.

THE FIRST WAS THERE WERE NO SENIOR DISCOUNT LISTED.

THE SENIORS WITH LISTED AT FULL PRICE WHICH WE DID HEAR SOME FEEDBACK RIGHT AWAY.

THERE IS STILL A SENIOR DISCOUNT FOR THAT.

SECONDLY, OUR 234 HUNT ARE EXTENDED.

THEY HAD THE DATES MISPRINTED.

THE ACCURATE DATE PRINTS OUT ON YOUR LICENSE PROPERLY AND THAT'S FROM MAY 2nd THROUGH THE 31st.

SO, JUST A REMINDER EVEN IF YOU LOOKED AT THE GUIDE, WE DID TRY TO GET THE GUIDE CORRECTED AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION ONLINE.

AGAIN, THAT 234 HUNT IS MAY 2nd THROUGH THE 31st.

>> PRINTED RIGHT ON YOUR LICENSE.

>> RIGHT SMACK ON YOUR LICENSE.

>> OKAY.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

LET'S GO BACK TO THIS ONE, JOE.

FROM SOCIAL MEDIA, LANSING ROLLED IN THE DNR COMMERCIAL ENFORCED PROGRAM OPENED TO THE PUBLIC FOR FISHING AND HUNTING BUT NOT MUSHROOM HUNTING.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE OPEN FOR THAT.

>> CORRECT.

>> THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IN STATUE IS THEY ARE OPENED FOR HUNTING, FISHING AND TRAPPING.

WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUNTING, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUNTING WILDLIFE.

>> FOLKS, IF YOU WANT TO GRIPE ABOUT THIS AND COMPLAIN THAT DNR DOES NOT OPEN FOR THAT.

THAT'S NOT THE DNR.

IT IS THE LEGISLATURES THAT HANDLE THAT.

THAT'S STATUTORY.

>> THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD IS YOU CAN GO TO THE LANDOWNER AND ASK FOR THEIR PERMISSION TO MUSHROOM HUNT OR PICK BERRIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> IT IS NOT 100% YOU CAN'T.

YOU CAN'T WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE LANDOWNER.

>> FOLKS FROM BUHLER WANTS TO KNOW, THE FISH ACT PROJECT, WHAT WILL IT MEAN FFFORRFPFORRFOPF FISHERMEN?

>> NOT ENTIRELY SURE YET.

THERE ARE STILL SOME THINGS TO BE WORKED OUT.

HOPEFULLY, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN NO FISH PASSES AT YOU KNOW STREET DAM FOR A LONG, LONG TIME OTHER THAN A FISH LETTER WHEN SABAN DAM WAS STILL IN.

IT IS A MILE ABOVE.

FISH PASS WILL ALLOW SPECIES LIKE WALLEYE AND NORTHERN PIKE THAT YOU HISTORICALLY WOULD HAVE TRAVRLED BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN GRAND TRAVERS BAY.

OR SPECIES LIKE COMMON CRAP OR OUR OTHER SPECIES.

THEY ARE WORKING ON A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES THERE.

THERE IS A RECENT DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AND THEY ARE HOPING TO LEARN A LOT OF THINGS AT THAT FACILITY THAT THEY CAN TRANSFER TO MANY OTHER FACILITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY.

>> SO, EVERYBODY - ALL EYES AAAARE >> SO, EVERYBODY - ALL EYES AAAA ON THE BOARD OF DAM.

CORRECT?

>> FROM SAGINAW, WIND GENERATORS, IS THERE A FIGHT FOR THEM IF THEY HAPPEN TO KILL AN EAGLE, JOE?

YOU GOT ANY IDEA?

>> IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY IS ASKING IT.

>> I AM NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD HOLD THE COMPANY WHO HAS THOSE WIND GENERATORS LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES TO THAT.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT STATUE THAT WOULD COVER THAT OR ORDER.

>> CHAD, HERE IS ONE FOR YOU, BIG GRANT.

FOLKS WANT TO KNOW THEY GOT UP TO 20 YEARS HANGING AROUND ONE CHERRY TREE.

ANY IDEAS ON WHAT COULD BE CAUSING THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, THERE IS STILL A COUPLE OF OLD CHERRIES ON THE GROUND THAT ARE TASTING PRETTY SWEET RIGHT NOW.

A LOT OF CASES ARE STILL BUNCHED UP.

UP NORTH, THEY HAVE NOT BROKEN UP YET FROM THEIR WINTER RANGE.

IF THEY ARE HANGING AROUND THIS AREA THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, THERE IS ONLY ONE REASON FOR IT.

FILL THEIR STOMACHS.

THERE IS SOMETHING THERE TO EAT.

>> SOMETHING THERE TO CHEW ON.

>> WHEN FINISHING HUNTER FISHING LICENSES EVERY YEAR, IS IT TRUE THAT THE MONEY GOES TO THE DNR?

FOR THE MOST PART.

THERE IS ADMINISTRATIVE FEE BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE - IT PAYS SALARIES AND PPPAYS FOR SEALS TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT AND BUY GAS - EVERYTHING AND FISH FOOD.

>> ONE OF THE BIG THINGS AND I WILL LET MARK FINISH ON THIS ONE, THE COST TO FEED OUR FISH AND OUR HATCHERIES HAVE GONE UP ASTRONOMICALLY AND AS YOU LIKE SEEING PROGRAMS WHETHER IT IS WILDLIFE OPENING ON STATE LAND OR THE FISH THAT WE STOCK, ALL THESE MONEY, WE HAVE NOT HAD AN INCREASE IN WELL OVER A DECADE.

WE ARE BEING FUNDED BY A FUNDING MODEL BASE ON A DECADE'S OLD SYSTEM WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF INCREASE TO OUR REVENUE BASED.

WE MAY UNFORTUNATELY, HAVE TO LOOK AT A DIMINISHED AMOUNT OF PROJECTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.

>> WHEN I HAVE TO CORRECT PEOPLE BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL SEE US WORKING AND SAY - HEY, GLAD TO SEE MY TAX DOLLARS AT WORK AND THAT'S WHERE I HAVE TO CORRECT AND SAY - OH, ACTUALLY SIR, OR MA'AM, THAT'S NOT YOUR TAX DOLLARS THAT WORKS IT IS YOUR LICENSE DOLLARS.

YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF GENERAL FUND MONEY FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.

WE ARE FUNDED BY FISHING LICENSE SALES AND BY DINGLE JOHNSON'S FUND FROM FISHING EQUIPMENT.

>> IF I CAN PUT ONE BALLOT PRO PROPOSAL, IF BOB GARNER CAN HAVE HIS BALLOT PROPOSAL ON THE BALLOT, IT WOULD BE TO MAKE THE STATE SPEND ONE CENT OF ALL THE TAX DOLLARS ON AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO FUND EVERYTHING FOR ONE CENT OF TAX DOLLARS.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE TAKIING THAT MANTLE UP.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A HECK OF A THING TO DO.

>> YOU SHOULD RUN FOR THE LEGISLATURES.

>> NO THANKS.

WORKED HERE A LONG TIME.

OKAY, HOW IS WHITE FISH PLANNING GOING?

>> WHITE FISH STOCKING?

>> YES.

>> REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

YOU KNOW THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM ON THAT ONE IS REALLY THE FOOD CHAIN, WE BELIEVE AT THIS POINT THAT IT IS THE FOOD CHAIN THAT'S THE PROBLEM FOR LAKE WHITE FISH AND NOT -- >> PEOPLE DON'T THINK OF THAT, DO THEY?

>> YES.

WE ARE GOING TO TRY EVERYTHING TO FIGHT FOR TTHAT THAT THE FOOD CHAIN IS THE BIG ISSUE.

WE'LL MAKE THE STOCKING PROGRAM.

IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME YEARS.

>> WHITE FISH DEVELOP SLOWER OR FASTER?

>> SLOWER.

>> SLOW GRIND.

>> OKAY.

I BARELY DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THEM.

>> LIVINGSTON COUNTY, FOLKS WANT TO KNOW FISHING HARDY POND, DO I HAVE TO FOLLOW A REGULATIONS FOR LOWER WEIGHTS SINCE IT IS A POND.

>> YES.

THERE IS RESTRICTIONS.

I AM GUESSING WHAT THE QUESTION IS ABOUT HOW ON SOME OF OUR SALMON, STEELHEADS AND THERE IS AS ONE OUNCE WEIGHT RESTRICTION.

NO, THAT DOES NOT APPLY ON HARDY POND.

GOOD QUESTION.

>> WILDLIFE QUESTION.

ANALOG QUESTION.

>> THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO.

WE SHOULD NOT BE TRANSPORTING WILDLIFE FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER.

THERE ARE OTHER TIMES WITH REHABILITATORS WHERE THEY CAN RELOCATE ANIMALS GENERALLY WITHIN THE COUNTY THEY CAME FROM.

WHEN THEY RELEASE THEM BACK INTO TINTINTO THE WILD.

IF YOU ARE TRACKING A NUISANCE WILDLIFE FOR YOU, MOVING YOUR HEADACHE TO SOMEONE ELSE'S, MAYBE BACKYARD?

AND THE GREATER POTENTIAL IS YOU POTENTIALLY MOVED SOME TYPE OF DISEASE OR OTHER PROBLEMS THAT THE ANIMAL MAY HAVE TO ANOTHER AREA.

>> YES, I WOULD ADD THAT THE BEST WAY TO TO DEAL IS EXCLUSION.

IF THEY ARE GETTING INTO SOMETHING, YOU GOT TO COME UP WP WAYS TO TRY TO KEEP THEM OUT AND SOMETIMES MAY INVOLVE IN BRING IN EXPERT IN.

>> AND PEOPLE AND A LOT OF MISCHIEFS THEY ARE GETTING.

>> EXACTLY.

>> STANDARD ROCK, ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLACES IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF MICHIGAN.

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY?

>> OH YES.

>> YOU GUYS EVER BEEN THERE?

>> IT IS ON MY BUCKET LIST.

>> OH, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU ARE GOING.

>> STANDARD ROCK IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO CAST A LAKE TROUT AND CATCH SOME IN SHALLOW WATER.

YOU CATCH THEM IN 10 OR 20-FEET OF WATER AND CAST THEM.

UP TO 40 SOMETHING POUNDS.

IT IS INCREDIBLE PLACE TO CATCH LIFE TROUT.

STANDARD ROCK, FOLKS WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY CHANGE THE LIMIT TO TWO.

>> YES.

IT IS BECOMING MORE POPULAR.

IT IS A FINITE RESOURCE.

IT IS ONE REEF OUT IN THE LAKE OF SUPERIOR.

WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT RESOURCE.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER PLACES THAT YOU CAN GO TO OR LIMIT OUT ON LAKE TROUT.

THOSE ARE WILD, NATURALLY REPRODUCED LAKE TROUT.

THEY ARE STILL ALLOWING SOME HARVEST THAT WE JUST DEEMED THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED A LITTLE MORE THAN IN THE PAST.

>> IT LEANS TO THE FACTS OUT THERE.

MARK IS AWARE OF THAT.

>> LAKE TROUT WHEN IT IS A RACES OF THEM?

>> YES, DIFFERENT GENETICS MORPH-TYPE.

>> YOU GET THESE REDFINS JUST AND THEY'RE OPENING THEM UP AND THEY WEIGH 20 POUNDS, IT MAY BE 20 POUNDS BUT THEY LOOK LIKE A BROOKE TROUT ON THE INSIDE.

THEY TASTE LIKE A BROOKE TROUT ON THE INSIDE.

INCREDIBLE STUFF.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

WHY CAN'T YOU WEIGHT COTCOTTAGES JACK.

>> THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE FLIES.

WHY CAN'T YOU WEIGH BELOW -- >> >>>> BEN TOLL ME THAT YOU CAN'T.

>> THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF PRIVATE LAND DOWN BELOW GREEN COTTAGE SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW AND YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TRESPASS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

IF YOU ARE ABLE TO STAY IN THE WATER AND KEEP YOUR FEET WET.

YOU CAN LEAVE THE RIVER TO GO AROUND DEEP HOLE OR OBSTACLES.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN WEIGH BELOW GREEN COTTAGES.

IT IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT IS A LOT OF PRIDE AT LAND.

THERE ARE OTHER ACCESS POINTS WHERE YOU CAN GET ON TTHE FLIES ONLY AND PM AND WAITED.

HEY, WE HAVE TO RESPECT PRIVATE PROPERTY.

>> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> >> WELL, IT IS ONE OF THE BEST REACHES FOR SALMON AND STEELHEADS FISHING ON THE PLANET.

WE HAVE TO RESPECT PRIVATE PROPERTY.

>> FLY FISH CHINOOK DOWN THERE.

IT IS GREAT STUFF.

>> >> >> O>> >> OKAY, >> >> >> O>> >> O DRUMMOND IS SPORTSMAN CLUB.

THERE ARE NETS ALL AROUND, IS THAT ILLEGAL?

>> THAT'S GETTING OUT OF MY TURF.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT KINDS OF NETS.

>> FISHING NETS.

>> CERTAINLY CAN BE TRIBAL.

I KNOW TRIBAL FISHING IS DONE IN THE AREA.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TARGETING.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT ONE.

I WOULD CALL TIM, HE'S A FFISH BIOLOGIST AND HE DEFINITELY WOULD KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BETTER THAN I.

>> LET'S GO INTO MOOSE.

>> OH, OKAY.

>> BACK IN '85 OR '86, THE FIRST MOOSE LIFTS.

I REMEMBER BACK THAT FFAR -- WE WERE DOING MOOSE LIFTS AND WE ANTICIPATED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE MAY HAVE A HUNTABLE NUMBER OF MOOSE IN THE UPPER PENINSULA.

IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, DOES IT?

>> YES, WE GOT A RESEARCH PROJECT TRYING TO GET AT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR MOOSE POPULATION BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY SEEM TO PLATEAUED.

THE CAVEAT THERE IS WE ONLY SURVEY THEM IN WHAT WE CALL OUR CORE AREA.

THEY HAVE NOT INCREASED IN OUR CORE AREAS.

WHAT WE TRY TO FIND OUT IS ARE THEY AT ESSENTIALLY, A CARING CAPACITY IN THAT AREA AND THEY'RE STARTING TO DISTRIBUTE OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I THINK A VALID QUESTION AND WE START TO LOOK INTO THAT BY PUTTING COLORS OUT ON MOOSE.

LAST YEAR WE STARTED OFF ON A FANTASTIC PROJECT IN CONJUNCTION WITH NORTHERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY.

WEWEWE PUT 20 COLLARS OUT ON MOOSE.

WE CAN LOG IN AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE GOING.

THIS YEAR, WE PUT ADDITIONAL 60GPS COLLARS.

>> GPS COLLAR, REALLY?

>> AS YOU GET OUT BY CHAMPIONS OR AREAS LIKE THAT, IT IS GOING TO YIELD SOME FANTASTIC DATA.

WE TRY TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE WORK.

WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT THE CAST SURVIVAL SO WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED FROM OTHER STATES IS IF YOU GO IN AND TRY TO COLLAR THE CATS AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR SURVIVAL IS, MOOSE TEND TO ABANDON THEIR CATS.

WE DON'T WANT TO INFLUENCE THEIR MORTALITY ON CAVS.

WHAT WE ARE DOING IS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE TECHNOLOGY.

ONCE THE MOOSE EXHIBITS A PATTERN OF MOVEMENT, THAT'S CONSISTENT OF HAVING A CALF, WE'LL HAVE A DRONE FLY OVER AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN AND PICK OUT WHETHER THEY HAVE ONE CALF OR TWO CALVES AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRACK THOSE MOOSE EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS TO MAKE SURE THOSE CALVES ARE WITH THEM.

NOT ONLY ARE WE MONITORING THE COLLARED MOOSE BUT THE CALVES THROUGHOUT THE FALL AS WELL.

>> THEY TEND TO HAVE TWINNING, RIGHT?

>> IT IS A LITTLE MORE COMMON.

IT IS SIMILAR AND IT IS CERTAINLY NOT LIKE A WHITE TAIL, RIGHT?

THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET.

OUR TWINNING RATE FOR MOOSE ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE LOW AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE.

WE HAVE SOME CONCERNING METRICS IN THE CORE AREA IN TERMS OF OUR CALVES RATIOS AND TWINNING RATES.

THEY ARE FAIRLY LOW.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THESE ANIMALS ARE SURVIVING AND GROWING.

IF THEY ARE, MAYBE WE CAN INTERVENE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE HAD GOOD SURVIVORS AND WE ARE STARTING TO SEE SOME INTERESTING MOVEMENT.

WE HAVE ONE COW, BOTH CALVES FROM THE CHAMPION AREA ALL THE WAY UP TO THE - SHE TRAVELS 60 OR 70 MILES AND HUNG OUT THERE FOR THE SUMMER AND ALMOST TOOK THE EXACT PATH BACK.

>> COMING BACK.

>> YEP.

>> WITH ONLY CALF.

THE OTHER CALF STAYED UP THERE.

WE ARE LEARNING INTERESTING THINGS FROM THIS PROJECT.

>> HEY, THE FALL, MAYBE WE'LL KNOW - >> WE'LL KNOW A LOT MORE.

>> WHAT'S A RULE FOR WAITING IN A LAKE IN FRONT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY?

>> SIMILARLY BEING IN A RIVERER AND AS LONG AS YOU STAY WITHIN THE WATER ITSELF, YOU CAN GET OUT AND SWIM AND WALK AROUND FISH AND THAT LANDOWNER STILL HAS REPAIRED OWNERSHIP SIMILARLY IN A RIVER WHERE THEY OWN A CONTROL THE BOTTOM LAND AS FAR AS PLACEMENT OF DOCKS AND BOUYS OR RAFTS.

YOU CAN GOING OUT AND ANCHOR AT A SAND BAR.

>> STAY IN THE WATER.

IF SOMEBODY GIVES YOU A HARD TIME AND YOU ARE LEGALLY IN THE WATER, LET CONSERVATION KNOW THAT TOO, RIGHT?

>> ANGLER HARASSMENT.

>> HAVE WE HAD ANY OF THOSE CASES IN RECENT YEARS?

>> WE GET A FEW COMPLAINTS AND CALLS EVERY YEAR ABOUT THAT.

MANY TIMES, IT BECOMES LIKE A HE SAYS SHE SAYS BETWEEN TTHE FISHERMEN AND LANDOWNERS.

IF YOU DO, YOU DON'T HAVE A CONFRONTATION WITH THE LANDOWNER.

IF YOU ARE ABLE TO VIDEO IT, THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE SOME TYPE OF DIGITAL EVIDENCE.

>> EVERYBODY'S GOT A PHONE.

>> REMEMBER TWO COs WENT OUT ON ONE OF THOSE COMPLAINTS AND THEY HAD ROCKS THROWN AT THEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THAT PERSON DIDN'T LIKE THE RESULTS WHEN THEY GOT TO COURT SO.

OKAY, WE HAVE THAT QUESTION.

IN THE U.S.

FOREST SERVICE, IT IS BEING RESTRUCTURED AT THE POINT.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DIRECTLY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES, DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS OF LOSING THOSE RESEARCH FACILITIES?

ANYBODY?

I KNOW YOU ARE NOT FORESTORS.

>> I AM SURE THERE ARE VALUABLE RESEARCH BEING DONE THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO SUFFER.

I KNOW MY OWN PERSPECTIVE WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, WHEN I STARTED IN CADILLAC, I HAD A NUMBER OF FISHERIES AND COUNTERPARTS THAT I WORK WITH, WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND OVER THE YEARS DUE TO PREVIOUS BUDGET CUTS, THERE IS NO ONE LEFT IN THE NATIONAL FOREST THAT WORKS ON FISH.

SO, THAT CREATES A HOLE.

THE FOREST SERVICE IS A VALUABLE PARTNER FOR US AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A SAY IN ANY OF THIS.

IT IS ALL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STUFF.

WE VALUE THEM AS AS PARTNER AND THEY CERTAINLY DO PARTNERS WORK.

>> FIRST AND FOR MOST, WHOEVER HITS THE DEER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLAIM THAT.

THE SIMPLEST WAY AND WOULD BE CONTACTING THE LOCAL DISPATCH WHERE YOU HIT IT.

THEY CAN DOCUMENT WHERE YOU H IT A DEER AND YOU WILL TAKE IT M YOU WILL NEED ACTS OR REPORT OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT SAVAGE REPORT RIGHT ONLINE FROM THE DNR WEBSITE.

>> AND YOU CAN GET THROUGH THAT THROUGH DNR MICHIGAN.

>> YES, PUT DEER SAVAGE MICHIGAN AND IT IS USUALLY ONE OF FIRST LINKS THAT'LL COME UP IS FOR THE STATE'S WEBSITE.

>> COULD DOW THAT ON THE LICENSING APP, TOO?

>> NO.

IT DOES NOT WORK FROM THE LICENSING APP.

YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR ACTUAL WEBSITE.

P>> I AM CURIOUS ABOUT RIGT AWAYS.

SO, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ROAD RIGHT AWAY, IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER A LANDOWNER OWNS FOR THE CENTER OF THE ROADWAYS.

THAT DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHTS OR ABILITY OF A PERSON TO ACCESS WHETHER THINGS IS A LAKE OR RIVER AND YOU WILL SSSSSSAY SSSSSSSAY 98% OR 99% INSTANC.

THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE A COUNTY TOOK IMMINENT DOMAIN IN THE CREATION OF THEIR ROADWAYS WHERE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN GIVEN ADDITIONAL EASEMENTS TO ACCESS WATER BODIES.

IN MOST INSTANCES, AN INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ACCESS THE RIVER ON A BRIDGE.

NOW, AGAIN THERE ARE STATUTORY LAWS IN PLACE THAT DO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ACCESS WATER BODIES A ROAD INNINGS.

THE MOST TYPICAL TIME WE SEE THIS IS COUNTY ROADS.

>> THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHTS TO LAUNCH THEIR BOATS THERE.

YOU CAN PLACE A DOCK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

RIVERS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHTS OF ACCESS TO THAT RIVER SYSTEM.

>> NOW, I WANT TO ADD TO THAT, BOB, AGAIN IF YOU WANT TO FISH TROUT STREAMS AND YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS, DON'T BE AFRAID TO DOCK ON DOORS AND ASK FOR PERMISSION.

>> SURE.

>> I FEEL LIKE THAT'S ALMOST A LOST ART IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T DO THAT AS MUCH AND I STILL THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO LET CONSCIENTIOUS ANGLERS FISH AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT KILLING ALL THE FISH OR FISHING ILLEGALLY.

DON'T BE AFRAID TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND ASK A QUESTION.

I THINK MOST OF THE TIME YOU WILL LIKE THE ANSWERS THAT YOU WILL GET.

>> SURPRISINGLY, IF YOU TOOK A LITTLE GIRL WITH YOU OR A LITTLE BOY, YOU THINK MAYBE THE ANSWER MAY BE JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT?

THAT'S A RESPONSIBLE THING FOR ANYBODY OF US TO DO IS TAKE A KID WITH YOU ANYWAY.

WHAT THE HECK?

>> WHY DO WE FISH AT NIGHT TO AVOID PREDATORS LIKE BIRDS.

>> OUR HATCHERIES ARE STOCKING HUNDREDS OF SITES EVERY YEAR.

IT JUST WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE.

IT IS MORE DANGEROUS TO WORK AT NIGHT.

THIS QUESTIONS COME UP ALL THE TIME.

IT HAS COME UP FOR MY ENTIRE CAREER.

I WILL ADD THAT THE STOCKING, THE FISH THAT WE STOCK DURING THE DAY SURVIVED VERY WELL.

AND WE ARE ALL CATCHING LOTS OF THEM AND A LOT OF TTHTTHE STEELHEADS THIS SPRIN.

THOSE ARE STOCKED DURING THE DAY.

I KNOW IT LOOKS BAD AND YOU MAY SEE SOME SEA GULL GETTING A FEW.

THE ONES THAT ARE GETTING ARE PROBABLY THE ONES THAT ARE BEAT UP AND WERE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT ANYWAY.

THE HEALTHY ONES GETTING AWAY AND THEY'RE SURVIVING.

IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PRACTICAL.

USUALLY, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE PLANT EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS BAD.

>> EXACTLY.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.

ONCE IN A WHILE YOU GET A QUESTION AND REALLY NOT SSURE WHERE IT IMMINENTS FROM OR WHAT THE EVENT WAS.

2019, THE DNRA ANCHORED A BARGE FOR THE PURGE RUN.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE FISH?

WOULD YOU EVER DROP A BARGE AND PUT A GIL NET OUT?

>> WE DO USE GIL NETS FOR SURVEYING LAKES.

I DON'T KNOW THE INCIDENT THAT THE PERSON IS TALKING AB ABOUT.

GIL NETS DO KILL FISH AND THAT DOES HAPPEN.

WHEN IT HAPPENS, WE MAKE SURE THE FISH GETS UTILIZED AND WE ARE NOT THROWING THEM AWAY IF THEY ARE ANY GOOD.

THAT'S PART OF SCIENCE AND DOING FISHERY SURVEYS IS SOMETIMES YOU WILL KILL A FEW FISH.

>> AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT.

>> I KNOW LESS THAN YOU DO.

>> THAT'S SEVEN YEARS AGO NOW.

>> EXACTLY.

THIS ONE COMES FROM JOE.

IF I BUY AN RV PERMIT, CAN I BUY MY TRUCK AND HUNTING SPOT USING RV TRAILS.

>> THE ANSWER IS LIKELY NO.

DESIGNATED RV TRAILS ARE DESIGNED FOR RVs THAT ARE 50 INCHES WIDE OR LESS.

YOUR PICKUP TRUCK IS NOT GOING TO FIT ON THOSE TRAILS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.

>> LET'S GO ONE STEP FURTHER AND ALSO, PROBABLY THE SAME PERSON.

DO I HAVE AN ORV PERMIT TO DRIVE TO ANY SPOTS ON TWO TRACKS?

>> IF YOU ARE OPERATING A LEGITIMATE TWO-TRACK, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ILLEGALLY CREATED, YOUR SECRETARY OF STATE ALLOWS YOU TO HOP ON THOSE TWO TRACKS AND TRAILS.

>> WILL THEY REBUILD THE DAM AT TROUT LAKE?

I DON'T KNOW WHAT DAM THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> AGAIN, IT IS NOT IN MY AREA.

>> THERE IS ONLY 57 TROUT LAKES.

>> I THINK IT IS IN GLADWIN COUNTY.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT STORY.

I KNOW THAT PEOPLE GET ATTACHED TO IMPOUNDMENTS AND THE PROBLEM IS THEY BECOME VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN AND JOE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT OUR BUDGETARY ISSUES.

WHEN YOU ARE TALKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OR MILLION PLUS TO FIX, YOU KNOW, A SMALL DAM THAT CREATES A SMALL POND THAT GETS FISHED BY A FEW POEM.

THAT BECOMES A TOUGH DECISION.

IF YOU REMOVE THE DAM, YOU RESTORE THE STREAM AND YOU TAKEAWAY THE FUTURE FINANCIAL BURDEN AS WELL.

SO, AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION.

THE ISSUE IS MUCH BIGGER TTTHAN JUST TROUT LAKE.

>> DID I SEE 2500 DAMS?

>>>> DNR, THE DNR OWNS HUNDREDS OF DAMS.

>> RIGHT.

>> WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF TROUT LAKES POPPING UP ALL OVER TR PLACE WHERE WE ARE FACE WITH THESE DECISIONS ON WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS DAM THAT'S 67 OR 80 YEARS OLD.

IT IS FALLING APART AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

IT IS NOT SAFE OR IS NOT HOLDING WATER.

DO WE SPEND THE MONEY TO FIX IT KNOWING THAT PROBABLY AGAIN SOME YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE'LL SPEND MORE MONEY TO FIX IT OR DO WE HAVE TO REMOVE IT AND BE DONE WITH IT AND RETURN IT TO WHAT MOTHER NATURE HAD IT INITIALLY?

INTERESTING QUESTION.

>> IT IS LONG-TERMS IF WE WANT TO SPEND BILLIONS ON DAMS IF WE WANT TO DO IT.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> IT IS GOING TO TAKE BILLIONS TO DO IT.

>> OKAY.

QUAD RIDING.

WHEN IT COMES ACROSS THE DOWN TREES, IS IT ILLEGAL TO CUT IT AND MOVE IT?

>> IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO RESTORE YOUR ABILITY TO DRIVE IF IT IS AN RV TRAIL.

YOU ARE ABLE TO REMOVE OBSTACLES AND IF YOU ARE COLLECTING FIREWOOD, TAKING IT HOME FOR PERSONAL USE, THE STATE DOES HAVE A FIREWOOD PERMITS THAT WE DO ISSUE.

THEY ARE $20 AND GOOD FOR FIVE COURT.

>> THAT'S A LOT OF WOOD.

>> WE HAD THE ICE DAMAGE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS YOU CAN GET UP TO TEN ON THOSE ONES.

IF YOU GET A LOG BLOCKING THE TRAIL ROAD, YOU HAVE LEGAL ACCESS AND YOU CAN CUT THAT TREE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF YOUR WAY IN ORDER TO STAY ON YOUR LAND.

>> YOU KNOW, I WROTE A REPORT ON HAGAN'S LAKE NOT TOO LONG AGO.

WE HAVE A FILE THAT GOES BACK ONE PLUS YEARS OF FISHERY MANAGEMENT ON HAGANS LAKE.

GUESS WHAT QUESTION THEY WERE ASKING A HUNDRED PLUS YEARS?

>> HOW COME THERE IS SO MANY SMALL PURGE?

>> NOWADAYS WE HAVE SNOUT.

THEY WERE NEVER INITIALLY IN HAGAN'S LAKE.

IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FOOD CHAIN AND THAT'S THE FACT THAT IT IS PURGE.

NOT ALL PURGE GETS TO THE SIZES WE LIKE.

KEEP AT IT BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE NICE PURGE.

YOU HAVE TO FINE THEM.

THEY ARE THERE BUT NOT VERY EASY TO FIND.

VERY GOOD QUESTION.

>> BOB HAS PASSED AWAY LAST WEEK.

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HE WAS A TOP END BIOLOGIST AND HE LOVED EVERYTHING ABOUT NATURE AND WAS NOT AFRAID ANYBODY TO KNOW IT.

COULD WE SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT BOB?

>> HE WAS A GREAT CONSERVATIONIST.

THAT'S THE MARK OF SOMEONE I REALLY RESPECT.

I WORKED WITH BOB, HE WAS A WILD MARINE BIOLOGIST.

I KNEW HIM WORKING FROM THE PINE RIVER ASSOCIATION.

HE'LL BRING ISSUES WITH ME WEULATED TO THE PINE RIVER.

WHAT A NICE GUY, TOO.

>> NICE GUY AND HAD A GOOD FRIEND, JOHN T.

>> GREAT, GREAT PERSON.

>> YES.

>> HOW CAN I STOP THAT AND AM I ALLOW TO CUT IT IN MANATEE COUNTY.

>> I GUESS I AM A LITTLE CURIOUS.

THE DNR, WE DO LEASE PROPERTIES FOR, WE LEASE FROM LANDOWNERS AND TRAIL SYSTEMS SO WE CAN CONNECT SO, I MEAN IF YOU HAVE OR IF YOU ARE LEASING LAND TO THE DNR FOR A SNOW MOBILE TRAIL, I WOULD REACH BACK ARAPAHOE COUNTY TO THE DNR AND CABBING OUR CADILLAC OFFICE AND ASK TO SPEAK TO SCOTT S. IN OUR AREA.

IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THAT.

IF THERE IS SOME TYPE OF ILLEGAL TRAILING OR SOMETHING, WE MAY NEED A FEW MORE DETAILS AND GIVE ME A CALL TO CADILLAC OFOFFICE AND WE'LL WORK OUT YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> WE MUST TICKLED SOMEBODY FANCY HERE.

THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE IS STANDARD ROCK?

>> IT IS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF LAKE SUPERIOR.

>> IF YOU GO OVER - AT ONE TTIME THAT I WENT THERE, IT WAS DOWN TO 33 MILES PER HOUR.

MMARK AND GARY - OH, JESUS, TRYING TO THINK.

>> GARY ROACH, WE TOOK WALLEYE BOATS AND WENT.

WE TOOK WALLEYE BOATS OUT AND WHERE HE MADE THAT AND RUN INTO ABOUT 25 OR 30 MINUTES, OTHERWISE, IT IS A TWO-HOUR RUN.

THE WEATHER CHANGED A LITTLE BIT COMING BACK AND WE MADE THAT RUN IN ABOUT TWO HOURS, 2.5 HOURS.

BEAT US UP LIKE I HAVE NEVER BEEN BEATEN UP ON A BOAT BEFORE.

>> YES, I DON'T THINK I AM TAKING MY BOAT TO STANDARD ROCK.

>> STANDARD ROCK.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE WEATHER IS GOOD WHEN YOU ARE GOING OUT THERE.

DO YOU THINK THE RESTOCK STANDARD LAKE OR DOES IT NEED IT?

>> ONCE IT GETS REFILLED.

YES.

I BELIEVE THE PLAN IS TO RESUME STOCKING.

IN THE PAST, I KNOW WE RESTOCKING WALLEYES.

I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S THE PLAN.

IT IS NOT MY TURF BUT I AM PRETTY SURE THAT'S THE PLAN.

>> WITH ALL THE WEATHER WE HAD AND AT LEAST WITH THE ICE, PEOPLE, THE CONCERN OF OUR PLANNING ON CUT LAND, WHERE IS THE MOM MONEY ALLOCATED?

>> I DON'T GET BOTH ENDS OF THAT QUESTION.

THE MONEY COMES FROM COMMERCIAL CUTTING AT STATE LANDS AND THAT GOES INTO TTTHE FOREST FUND.

FORESTRY, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, FOREST LAND IS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET EVERYTHING CUT BEFORE IT DE DECAYS.

>> HERE IS ANOTHER ASPECT OF OUR FUNDING CONCERNS.

THE TREES THAT WERE DAMAGED IN THAT AREA, THOSE WERE TREES THAT IS WE WERE GOING TO CUT, YOU KNOW IN THE NEXT DECADES.

THOSE MONEY GOES AND FUNDS OTHER ASPECTS WHETHER IT IS OUR FOREST FIGHTERS, OUR FIRE OFFICERS WHO GO AND HELP PUT OUT WILD LAND FIRES AND DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO AS WE MAY SEE A SHORTFALL IN TIMBER SALES IN OUR COMING YEARS.

IT IS ANOTHER ASPECT OF THE URGENCY TO FIND A WAY.

>> EXACTLY.

GIVE US RUN DOWN ON ELK.

YOU HAD GREAT ELK SEASON LAST YEAR.

>> YES.

IT WAS A GOOD ELK SEASON.

IT WAS DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.

MOST ELK CONNERS ARE HAPPY TO GO OUT AND HUNT ELK BECAUSE IT IS A RARE PHENOMENON HERE IN MICHIGAN.

>> OUR ELK NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY DOWN.

WE COMPLETED THE SURVEY.

IT IS ABOUT 800 OR SO.

SO IT IS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

>> IT IS IN OUR GOAL AND IT LINES UP PERFECTLY WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE CONFERENCE INTERVALS WITH THE LOW END OF OUR RANGE.

WE ARE RIGHT AT GOAL, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHERE WE HAVE BEEN.

THERE WILL BE FEWER ELK PERMS DRAWN THIS YEAR TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.

SO, WE HAVE GOT IT WHERE WE THINK IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE THE LANDSCAPE.

THERE WILL BE FEWER ELK DRAWN.

ONE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE LAST YEAR IS THE ELK SEASON WILL LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

WE USED TO HAVE THREE OR FOUR DAYS SEGMENT.

IF YOU ARE A DRAWN FOR THE FIRST SEGMENT, YOU WOULD GO BACK AND HUNT FOR DAYS AND GO BACK TO WHEREVER YOU WERE LIVING IN THE STATE.

NOW, WE GOT A MUCH LONGER PERIOD.

IT STARTS A LITTLE LATER IN MID SEPTEMBER AND GOES INTO EARLY OCTOBER.

WE ARE AVOIDING THAT HEAT OF AUGUST, WHICH WAS CLASSICAL OF THAT FIRST FOUR DAYS PERIOD.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THAT OR DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN AT ALL.

NOW, YOU HAVE A MUCH MORE CONSTIOUS SEASON.

>> IF YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL, YOU WILL HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCESSFUL.

>> OKAY.

AND MARK, LET'S GET BACK TO DAM SHIRE.

I GET IT.

IT IS FACING CRITICAL DAMAGE AND THE LAKE LEVELS WILL FALLEN.

I I GET THAT.

WHAT'S THE PRICE TAG ON FIXING IT?

>> WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE DAM IS BEING THREATENED BY THE HIGH WATER WE ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW.

>> OH, RIGHT AT THE MOMENT.

>> WHICH AGAIN, WELCOME TO DAM OWNERSHIP.

BOY, WHEN TIMES LIKE THIS HAPPENS AND YOU OWN ADAM WHERE IT IS THREATEN BY HIGH WATER AND IT MAKES YOU WANTS TO THINK TWICE.

OH, DO I WANT TO OWE A BUNCH OF THESE DAMS.

NOT MY TURF AND I AM NOT INVOLVED.

I KNOW MY CREWS ARE OUT SANDBAGGING AROUND THE DAMS TO TO TODAY.

THERE IS IT IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT IT WILL NOT GET TO A PROBLEM LEVEL.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH RAIN WE GET NEXT WEEK IS KIND OF WHAT WE ARE THINKING.

I HOPE THEY ARE ABLE TO OVERCOME THAT.

>> A FRIEND OF MINE WORKS IN THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

HE HAD A SAY THAT ALWAYS STUCK WITH ME.

WATER ALWAYS WINS.

>> I AGREE.

IT IS GOING TO GO WHERE IT WANTS TO GO.

YOU BETTER FIGURE OUT HOW TO DIRECT IT AND DIMINISH ITS AFFECTS OR WHATEVER.

I AM SORRY ABOUT THAT IF I MADE FUN OF YOUR REQUEST BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER DAMS UP THERE.

THERE IS NO MONEY.

>> OKAY.

1862 BARN ON FISH IN WILDLIFE LAND ON THE DEMOLITION LIST.

IT WAS PURCHASED WITH GUN POWDER MONEY.

WELL, IT WAS PURCHASED IN FISH AND GAIN.

IT HAS TO BE USED FOR HUNTING PURPOSES.

HOW CAN WE CONTACT SOMEBODY TO SAVE THIS BUILDING?

>> NOT KNOWING WHAT PROPERTY THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THEY SAID FISH AND WILDLIFE, DOES IT MEAN A GAME AREA OR FEDERAL LAND?

AGAIN, I WOULD REACH OUT TO THE CLOSEST DNR OFFICE AND TRY AGAIN AND ASK MORE QUESTIONS SO WE CAN GET YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE RIGHT LAND AND ADMINISTRATOR.

HERE IS THE QUESTION WE GET EVERY YEAR.

>> NO PROPOSAL ON ANYTHING.

I DID TALK TO OUR BIOLOGYISTS BEFORE COMING ON.

THERE IS A DECLINE.

HE'S EXPECTING A PRETTY SIMILAR YEAR OR THIS YEAR.

HE SAID SAY WITH NUMBERS DROPPING, YOU WILL HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE HARDER INTO THE HIGH EQUAL HABITAT AREAS TO FIND YOUR FLUSHES.

>> OKAY.

WITH ALL THE FORESTRY HAPPENING, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WE'LL HAVE A MONACO - TAKE IT UP ON THE FOREST, WE DON'T HAVE ONE WITH US TONIGHT.

>> I WOULD NOT AGREE WITH THAT.

SO, WHEN WE MANAGE STATE LAND FOR FORESTRY, EVERY TIME - THERE IS AS MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR EVERY CHUNK OF STATE LAND AND ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS GET INPUT AND WILDLIFE DIVISION IS PROMINENT IN DISCUSSIONS.

THERE IS A LOT OF COMPROMISE.

>> YES.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF COMPROMISE AND SOME PLACES, WE DO RAISE A LOT OF RED PINE.

THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WHERE WE DO A LOT OF CLEAR CUTS FOR ASPEN THAT'LL BENEFIT GAINS AND EXPERTISE.

>> WE ARE JUST ABOUT OUT OF TIME.

WE NEED A ONE WORD ANSWER FROM ALL OF YOU.

OKAY, I WANT TO GET INTO CONSERVATION, WHAT DEGREE SHOULD I GET?

>> FISH AND WILDLIFE IS WHAT I GOT.

>> FISHERY DEGREE.

>> I GOT CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

>> YOU HAD A CRIMINAL JUSTICE?

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